Another plug for the additions to Brewers in London.
Two Pale Ale labels from Fullers, different shades of green I know, but one dates from before 1929 and the other later. But how can you tell?
Pleased to see a bit of interest in the Green’s spot the difference, so here are a trio from Andrew Buchan’s brewery in Rhymney. All three are 74mm in height and are probably for half pint bottles, whereas the example pictured in our featured brewery is 109mm tall and I think, is for quart bottles.
Labels from that brewery have just been added to our featured brewery section.
Follow the link Featured Brewery > Wales >
or this: http://labology.org.uk/?page_id=4897
We thought we would highlight the addition of the Green labels to our featured brewery section by returning to the spot the difference theme.
A completely different printing or a colour error? I prefer the right example, no distracting red.
Not really a competition item, but part of the way to tell you that labels from Kelsey’s Culverden Brewery in Tunbridge Wells have been added to our featured brewery section. Follow England > South East > Kelsey. I would like to thank Guy for providing the stimulus for finally sorting the images and for help with dating. I have dated these as pre 1920 when the name E & H Kelsey was first registered. Am I right?
I am frequently asked whether the small differences are really differences or just more or less ink on the roller, one of them has been out in sun for while, beginning/end of run. Usually I am able to point out differences which would indicate a different die, which is so much better, like this pair from John Groves. Until this weekend, I was unaware that this difference existed. Does it add value to my collection of Groves labels? What do you think?
Comments on #62 raised the question regarding label edge codes. Well with a bit of personal knowledge & some research, I can shed some light on this issue. Virtually all edge codes were produced by a machine supplied by the Sauven Marking Machine Company of London,known unsurprisingly as the Codedge system. this very basically comprised of an electric motor driving a drum bearing saws to mark the label edge. The labels being clamped to a table above the saws. Both label & saw position being adjustable to provide the edge codes.
Codes are read by using a simple plastic card, such as the one illustrated below
Now providing you line up the large edge cut (register mark), the date can be calculated by adding up the numbers relating to cuts in each section. However you need to know the starting year as the year marks are able to span a 15 year period or it may be that certain machines were configured to use the lower red lines to give specific year data. Bearing in mind there were many possible configurations for the saw positions on the machine drum and that nearly every brewery of any size was using this system during the 1950/60’s, not only in the UK, but around the world.
Considering all of this & the fact that some brewers had their own specific system of codes again using the Codedge machine, we are not really much closer to unravelling the dates.
A British Patent was granted to Maurice Oswald Sauven for this machine in early 1950s and the company is still trading today, although the technology they offer has moved on. These machines are still available on the secondhand market though. If you can add to this please post a reply as usual. Cheers Pete
Had a couple of drinks, a chat and a look at some labels with friends on Thursday night. Lovely evening in the Trackside Bar and I came away with a swap box and told not to expect anything fantastic. A few happy hours going through a large number of labels and up comes a label from Masseys. Looks a bit different to the one I have, a quick look through the Lancashire No. 1 album and there is is similar but definitely different example. You all know how keen I am on small variations and to find a new one from a brewery that was only 10 miles away, that’s fantastic.
My original is on the the left, the one I had not seen before on the right.
Alan has also sent in this pair from Tomson & Wotton. In his mail he suggested there may be one or two collectors who don’t have the pair. Not only do I not have the pair, I have never seen the variation on the left, or is it the right. I will have to check my album. OK it’s the one on the right I have not seen before. Had a look in our featured brewery section.
Three things I want to know. Which was issued first, I think I can tell that and when was each variation in use.
Also, who had to look in their collection to be sure which one they had?
What you ask is that, well for #60 we thought we would try out a couple of modern labels, as our LOTY event is the weekend after next, yes it will 18th October as planned. If you have not booked your place yet, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO SO. Please email our Treasurer from the Contact Us page to book your place.
This pair have a number of differences and as they will be on sale at Windsor & Eton Brewery at our LOTY event, we will leave you to examine them in detail. Have fun!
The response to Spot the difference #58 was probably the best we have ever had. However, I still think there are a couple of collectors and brewery historians out there who could and should have commented on our post. I shall be in contact with them again, because I don’t think the matter is anywhere near closed. But thanks to all those who did comment, particularly Mike and Alastair, and of course the elusive ‘Fascinated’. I still can’t work it out. I only visited 2 or 3 breweries that year.
So in the hope that this posting generates a similar or indeed better response, here are two labels from the first brewery I ever visited. I would like possible dating information please.